Bundles / Waivers / Admin / Liability

Last post 02-09-2012, 3:40 PM by jim. 3 replies.
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  •  01-30-2012, 2:29 PM 24839

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    Bundles / Waivers / Admin / Liability

    My Question and Concern

    Bundles seem to be perfect for events that have teams participating. The team bundle administrator has the ability to go into any team players in his/her bundle account and change things. So far so good.

    The problem I feel is with the ability of the bundle administrator to sign the event waiver or un sign it as he or she chooses. I fear this ability negates the value and protection of the waiver for the event and other participates.  

    I also as the site admin I can sign a digital waiver or un sign it for anyone in any bundle in the system.

    In our events we do not want anyone to be able to bypass the acknowledgement of the waivers.

    Is there a way to disable the bundle admin from signing or un signing a digital waiver on a team members behalf. 

     

  •  01-31-2012, 12:30 PM 24852 in reply to 24839

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    Re: Bundles / Waivers / Admin / Liability

    Bundles apply to memberships only, not events i.e. the bundle administrator can only view/edit member/contact fields, not event registration details. As long as the waiver is signed during event registration then there is no way for the bundle admin to view/edit this info, only the site admin can (even the registrants themselves cannot edit their own event registrations once submitted). 
    Jim Sympathy, Fluid Apricot
  •  02-09-2012, 11:57 AM 24924 in reply to 24852

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    Re: Bundles / Waivers / Admin / Liability

    In our case a person, company or team will register for an event. Such as Number One Wild Apricots decides to enter Wild Apricot as a team in an event. He registers as a team in the event including signing of the waiver. Then he sends a memo out to the other Helpful Apricots telling them to sign up for the event online at www.lively-dragon.com Each Helpful Apricot goes to the site and fills in a membership application and indicates that they are part of the Wild Apricot team. If this was a bundle membership Number One Apricot can modify that member’s application in all ways including the waiver check box. checking or unchecking it. This ability voids the value of any online waiver. The single event registration and waiver would not act as proof that Helpful Apricot Jim actually had the opportunity to view and acknowledge the waiver. It is necessary that each team member acknowledge the risk and sign the waiver of liability.

    In the event of an accident it is unlikely but possible for a bundle administrator to go online and un check Helpful Apricot Jim's waiver acknowledgement because he may feel in the moment it would give Jim a stronger legal stand to sue if he had not acknowledged the waiver. With the Click of a key stroke Jim's acknowledgement no longer exists.

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    Jim knowing that the bundle administrator has access and the ability to acknowledge or change the waiver tells his lawyer he was not aware of or acknowledged the waiver. Because of the bundle administrators access it may be hard to prove he did.

    To do this manually is a large amount of paper work that we are trying to avoid. Each waiver is three parts plus the medical form = 4 times 25 team members times 70 teams is boxes full of papers.

    The bundle administration would simplify the organizing of the team members from what we are doing and make it easier for team captains to know which members of their team has or has not signed up as the event day approaches.

    Our event registration is a single Team registration with a single fee for the team.

  •  02-09-2012, 3:40 PM 24928 in reply to 24924

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    Re: Bundles / Waivers / Admin / Liability

    You can setup your waiver field to be editable during the application only, but not in the profile. This way not even the member or the bundle administrator can edit/change this field after that initial setting. 

    However bundles would not work anyway for the scenario you described. You cannot join an existing bundle on your own, you have to be added by the bundle administrator. So with bundles it is the bundle administrator who would end up signing the waivers on behalf of the entire team, which I take it is not what you want.


    Jim Sympathy, Fluid Apricot
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